Member Tat… Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 In French text many words are written with apostrophe and I realized that have no clue how much space should I leave after the apostrophe: d'autre, n'importe, qu'ils etc.Maybe I shouldn't leave any space at all, but with some fonts it looks weird... P.S. is there a rule for English words too? Thank you very much! Link to comment
Member Ric… Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 In Italian, and in English,* there’s no space. I would say the same for French, but they have pretty specific rules regarding spaces and punctuation (like no space before |.|, but space before |:|), so I don’t dare giving you the wrong answer. * However, historical usage could vary: http://typophile.com/node/122300 Link to comment
Member Ric… Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 with some fonts it looks weird... That’s a kerning problem. I run into similar ones from time to time, because, for example, apostrophe usage in Italian is different from typical English usage, and the type designer didn’t (or couldn’t) take it in consideration when spacing the font. Link to comment
Member Tat… Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 Riccardo, thank you for your reply. I looked in "Elements of Typographic Style" of Bringhurst, but couldn't get a clear answer. And it is too time consuming to make a manual kerning when I type many pages of French text, there are way too many words with apostrophe. Is there a way that I could do it through a setting of InDesign? because I am not aware of it. Thank you! Link to comment
Ralf Herrmann Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 In InDesign one can use GREP styles within a paragraph style to automatically apply spacing changes to certain characters or character combinations. Link to comment
Member Ric… Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Looking at http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe_(typographie)#En_fran.C3.A7ais there’s no space around apostrophes. As for GREP and kerning, depending on your version of InDesign, you could find useful this guide: http://typophile.com/node/69252 Edited January 24, 2015 by Riccardo Sartori testing HTML tags: it seems nothing fancy is allowed. Link to comment
Member Tat… Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 Riccardo, thank you for the valuable information. It seems that I can't escape manual kerning, though ! Link to comment
Ralf Herrmann Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 On 26 January 2015 at 9:24 AM, Tatiana Marza said: Riccardo, thank you for the valuable information. It seems that I can't escape manual kerning, though ! You can, if you use GREP styles. I put together a How To Video which explains it. GREP might appear scary to some at first, but with this video the kerning technique using GREP shouldn’t be too hard to be replicated and extended. 4 Link to comment
Ralf Herrmann Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 And for the real geeks: here is an InDesign script that was suggested on YouTube: http://www.kahrel.plus.com/indesign/kern.html You set up the kernings changes in external files per font and when the script is run, the kerning changes are applied. Link to comment
Member Tat… Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share Posted March 7, 2015 Ralf, thank you so much for your video and for the above link. Finally I know what GREP is:) Link to comment
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