Help needed identifying typeface, possibly uncial version of Helvetica? (Baden, Switzerland)

[Gratrex]

Seen this font around a few places in Baden, Switzerland. It's leaning more towards Celtic and Uncial forms (especially the E and d), but also using elements from Helvetica. 

Free version good, but identification is the main thing. I've looked at several hundred possible fonts at this point, and I'm running out of ideas. 

[Riccardo Sartori]

The samples show two distinct typefaces. I couldn’t find a match for either one of them.

The first one could be architectural lettering, and the second a custom logo, thus not fonts.

 

13 hours ago, Gratrex said:

also using elements from Helvetica

I don’t see much Helvetica in your samples. That said, it has been used as a basis for “Celtic style” typefaces in the past, with pretty different results: