Member hra… Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Are you calling José Mendoza & Almeida a rip-off artist? And a poor craftsman? I hope some of his students are around to put you in your place. Pascal's caps are indeed uncomfortably close to Optima's, but luckily most text is lc, and there there's very little similarity. Pascal is vigorous, sincere and cheerful, with a glimmer in the eye. Optima is staid - too gray. It's over the hill, and the brakes are failing. I own a case of Pascal in two sizes. I wouldn't spend a dime on Optima. hhp Link to comment
Member typ… Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Not this version! I corresponded with Jose for many years... I think this is a weak version. I have always liked Pascal. Never had a problem with it. This digital version bothers me! Wasn't speaking of the original. See my article on him in Scripsit. Michael Link to comment
Member typ… Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Your point now that I have clarified? P.s. His work is framed all over my studio. Michael Link to comment
Member hra… Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Your back-paddling is quite noisy. Clarified? No need for that - I've know exactly where you're coming from for a while now. -- The best thing about all these Zapf revivals? Kobayashi.http://typographica.org/001103.php#palatino-sans-fonts hhp Link to comment
Member Nac… Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Palatino rocks and can work with Optima depending on where its used. Univers is a good looking sans but may be more like Helvetica than optima in some ways? I would recommend the film Helvetica to Michael and anyone else interested in type whether you like the Helvetica font family or not. It has some interesting interviews with some very accomplished type and graphic designers. Some who actually detest Helvetica. Link to comment
Member typ… Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Hrant That would be "peddling"! And you have no clue where I am coming from until you give up the keyboard and try your hand at the pen. That would be humbling. Go ahead and cast baseless aspersions. Aren't you the one who deplores that... oh it is only when it suits you and your agenda! Michael Link to comment
Member Wil… Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Michael, the movie is really a history of graphic design in the past half century, and a delightful movie. I recommend just fast forwarding through the Helvetica bits :) Also in an earlier discussion of Optima, I thought John Hudson had a good point that Optima Nova may be better for text and the original Optima better for display. I don't know about Optima for text altogether, but it's a great display face. It has a very distinctive look, and is out of place in many settings, but that is true of all great display faces. So I don't get the Optima hatred. Link to comment
Member typ… Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Geoffery Technically it is a sans.. it only intimates serifs. They are not there. It is the waisting that accentuates this optical illusion. And I am sorry this turned nasty. You have my recommendations and I am done. Yes William I am stepping back from the ledge : ) Michael Link to comment
Member hra… Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 William, it's not hate, just strong unease, or even a bit of revulsion. Optima is like those old women who think they're still god's gift to society. They take on airs, and fan the dying embers of old men who want to remember, want to forget. It might be human, but it's also a weakness and not something to celebrate blindly. Somebody -preferably a close friend- should tell the old hag to start acting her age already. hhp Link to comment
Member Wil… Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 "fan the dying embers of old men who want to remember, want to forget" Damn, Hrant, that's good. Do you write poetry? You should. Seriously. Link to comment
Member typ… Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 NO I am not done yet! "I’ve know exactly where you’re coming from for a while now." How condescending is that statement. You are better than me? Your opinions carry more weight? You think you are the end all critic?Yours should be the only opinion that counts? No room for other points of view? You pick and criticize constantly... just when do you allow for others opinions instead of jumping in with jabs at an honest discussion. I was simply trying to add some information and you came in with negativity. Michael Link to comment
Member pom… Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 BTWPublica, a typeface designed by Karl-Heinz Lange for Typoart http://www.typografie.info/typowiki/index.php?title=Publica ? Link to comment
Member Nac… Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Get a room you two. Link to comment
Member Flo… Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 @Thomas (Poms): Here’s a little story about the origination of Publica. Link to comment
Member pom… Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Yes Florian i've seen this thread before … and forgot it – i'm looking forward what the upcoming digital versions/- interpretations of some of the Typoart typefaces will be. I'm curious about the releases! Link to comment
Member Yeh… Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Hmm..I thought we were discussing the finer points of Optima and it's readability. Oh well. having looked at the sample of Optima Nova (thanks E. Scrooge!) I'm still not convinced. It looks to me like a a case of student typography. Incidently, I'm guilty of such a mistake in school. I blame it on the lack of fonts available on the machine I was using:P Link to comment
Member typ… Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 "I thought we were discussing the finer points of Optima and it’s readability." We are, but me and Hrant just have issues : ) Michael Link to comment
Member fgu… Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Yehan—you have to see it in print. That's where it really shines. Link to comment
Member Yeh… Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 haha..alright Michael.. fguimaraes, fair enough... Does anyone know of a book set in Optima? I don't have Optima Nova, but I guess I could try setting a bunch of text first in the old version. Link to comment
Member hra… Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Issues? We share none that I've noticed. Finer points? I'll be sure to let you know if I see any... (Anybody who is in fact more interested in learning than merely yakking should start by perusing the archives.) hhp Link to comment
Member Joo… Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 @Michael it has been a couple off post back, but there is something as "to much character" especially in text fonts, that character should not influence the message that is communicated. (reading comes first, beauty comes second) and there is no need for apologies, everyone is intitled to his/her own opinion Link to comment
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