mhellerart Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 This topic was imported from the Typophile platform Hello all, I have found many images online featuring anatomy of typefaces, but none of these show these terms when applied to numbers. I wasn't sure if the terminology was the same, or different for numbers, but I didn't want to start using words to describe features in numbers until I knew for sure. For instance, the number 4 sometimes has the diagonal section attached, and sometimes it is detached from the stem-like vertical on the right... But I don't know what the official terminology is for any of these things. Is there someone that could help me out? Any imagery would be really fantastic. Thanks! -Matt
hrant Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 Good point/question. I think the alphabetic terminology can be applied well enough to the numerals. The conventional unconventional :-) "stroke" contrast might indeed warrant some specialization though. hhp
Nick Shinn Posted February 20, 2012 Posted February 20, 2012 Right. Therefore, the two kinds of four are open and closed counter. The horizontal stroke at the baseline of sans serif “one”s is a crossbar, not a serif. ** However, there are no established terms to distinguish between oldstyle “one”s that have majuscule “I” configuration, and those which have minuscule “l” construction. There is also no term for the quite odd variant of oldstyle “zero” that is light in weight, circular and without contrast. And again, the variants of “three” — with the top half composed of either one curved or two straight strokes — have no special names.
eliason Posted February 20, 2012 Posted February 20, 2012 There is also no term for the quite odd variant of oldstyle “zero” that is light in weight, circular and without contrast. I'd call that a monoline zero.
hrant Posted February 20, 2012 Posted February 20, 2012 > The horizontal stroke at the baseline of > sans serif “one”s is a crossbar, not a serif. It's interesting however to consider the contrast with serif fonts. Is my impression correct that virtually all serif fonts make it look like serifs and not a bar? For the three: the flat-top style could be called the Ezh or Dram form. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezh_%28letter%29 BTW, there's also a very rare form of three where the top is flat but it's joined to the bottom with a curve. hhp
cerulean Posted February 20, 2012 Posted February 20, 2012 In fact, there is jargon for the flat-topped form of three; it is a "banker's three", which I believe means that it was the preferred form in handwritten accountancy to distinguish it from a sloppy two. That said, "pointy three" and "rounded three" serve me fine and laymen understand them. I accept that the serif-analogues on "I" and "1" in sans faces are "bars", but not necessarily "crossbars". "J" can be capped with such a bar, and there are forms of "J" that also have an actual crossbar, in the middle. I've seen "barred I" before. If they need a specific name of their own, and I think they do, "endbars" could work. The (usually) sloped thing on the top of a "1", be it a serif or not, may be sensibly called a "beak" and so any form that has it would be "beaked".
Bendy Posted February 20, 2012 Posted February 20, 2012 I've heard the top of a 1 and 5 called a 'flag'. And I've heard the banker's three originally prevented it being converted into an eight when written on a cheque. Does anyone have terms for a 2 that does the Helvetica thing of changing direction on the spine rather than coming straight to an acute angle at the bottom?
Riccardo Sartori Posted February 20, 2012 Posted February 20, 2012 The “Cobra move” or the “Swan neck”? ;-)
John Hudson Posted February 20, 2012 Posted February 20, 2012 The subject line refers to 'Arabic characters'. Is this intended to mean so-called Arabic numerals -- which the Arabs call Indian numerals -- or to Arabic letters also?
Té Rowan Posted February 21, 2012 Posted February 21, 2012 I kinda recall seeing the flat-top three and the barred seven called French three/seven. Also, I think that the old-style numeral 1, when it looks like a squashed I, is said to be 'roofed'. But, I could easily be wrong on both counts.
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