Ugly websites of typeface designers

[_null]

Shucks, thanks Mark. I'm a huge fan of Coquette.

Time is always a concern, and yup, I concur - if you can afford someone who is a specialist, then you definitely should.
That said, it seems HTML is fast becoming the universal format for wrapping and delivering text/information to the masses - it's our duty to be fairly au fait with it's foibles and capabilities...

[hrant]

it's our duty to be fairly au fait

Uh, just FYI, the text on your own site looks disturbingly
blurry on a huge chunk of the world's computers... :-/

BTW, Macchu Pichu is cool.

hhp

[_null]

@hrant Thanks, that actually means a lot. Aw crap...off to browsershots.org for me then!

edit: whilst trying to remove my boot from my mouth...

[Ryan Maelhorn]

There really is no need to know any web programming other than very basic html. I think you can even make a webpage right in Photoshop (and perhaps illustrator) now, right? And if not I know you can take a design from illustrator and import right into flash, keeping all the layers intact. So that means you can design everything visually in Illustrator, including your rollovers, etc, and very quickly use to flash to make your site. To some extent, animation is more difficult, as well as adding ecommerce.

[chrisburton]

_leigh

For the record...my site doesn't suck. I think. It sucks less than most anyway.

By your site do you mean what you've ended up copying from Jessica Hische? Your Material page (http://lifu.co.uk/materiel/) looks a lot like her Resource page (http://jessicahische.is/heretohelp/). As well as your Work page (http://lifu.co.uk/work/) --> http://jessicahische.is

And...this lettering piece is quite similar to hers as well.
http://lifu.co.uk/work/anna
http://jessicahische.is/makingababyannouncement/

[chrisburton]

Photoshop is ideal for web designing. Illustrator more for vector work (icons, logo, etc). Flash is going away. A lot of mobile OS's are not supporting them. Safari (desktop version) doesn't even support Flash, if I'm not mistaken.

You should know at least HTML and CSS. jQuery would be great for animations.

[Riccardo Sartori]

Photoshop is ideal for web designing.

That’s quite debatable.

[chrisburton]

That’s quite debatable.

I'm going off what most use when designing for the web. Some prefer directly in the browser and others prefer Fireworks, Phtoshop, etc.

[hrant]

Ideal and popular are not at all the same thing.

Flash has its problems, but they're technical; much bigger is the social problem of a svengali forcing its deprecation just to make more money, and at the functional expense of users.

hhp

[chrisburton]

hrant

Correct and I would argue that Photoshop is ideal which is possibly why it resulted in its popularity.

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@chrisburton the Anna invitation is inexcusable - but it was the way it went down and it was for the love.
The materiel page I totally fess up to: http://lifu.co.uk/work/londontown

With regard to illustrator vs photoshop for web-design. I guess it's down to preference, although, with responsive things, you really need to go to code as soon as you can for layout.
The style tiles idea seems like the strongest method to decide looks and such.

[Ryan Maelhorn]

Flash has always had compatibility problems. But if it is going away, it is only because of HTML 5, which whenever it comes around to being fully implemented, could nicely replace it. Adobe realizes this, and has implemented a 'render' as html5 function.

My real point is that nobody can really use the "i havent been keeping up on the technological changes enough" excuse because one really doesn't need to know much new coding ides, such as jquery, or php, or javascript. Programming is a very left brain activity, and visual art is a very right brain activity. There are of course, lots of exceptions to that rule, and there are people who excel equally in abstract mathematical thinking and visual artisiticness, but they are rare.

[Mark Simonson]

Safari (desktop version) doesn't even support Flash, if I'm not mistaken.

Not true. Apple just stopped shipping the Flash plug in on new Macs. You can still download and install it if you want, and it still works in Safari just as it always has.

[chrisburton]

Thanks, Mark. Now I wish I hadn't removed Safari. It seems there is no download button for Windows.

[dezcom]

Flash works on Safari fine for me with Lion.

[Mark Simonson]

no download button for Windows

You can get it here:
http://www.apple.com/safari/

Not the most popular browser on Windows, from what I've heard.

[chrisburton]

Mark

From what I've read, Apple for some reason isn't allowing downloads for Windows with Safari. There is no download button anywhere on that page.

See here: http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/25/3186086/safari-for-windows-references-...

[Mark Simonson]

Oh, well, like I said, not the most popular browser on Windows. Maybe they decided it wasn't worth it. From what I recall reading, back when it was released, the main justification for it was search revenue from Google.

Looks like you can still get Safari 5 for Windows here:
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1531

I just tried it in my Windows 7 VM and it worked.

[Mark Simonson]

Of course, but I was talking about Safari for Windows.

[JamesM]

[Deleted. Sorry Mark I misread your post.]

[Typogruffer]

@everyone: using safari for mac is okay but using it on windows is taking things too far. The latest versions of Chrome and Firefox are more superior and faster than safari. IMO, Firefox 15.0.1 is the best iteration of Firefox till date(they changed a lot of code that used to cause it crash frequently). Stop using safari on windows and use chrome or Firefox.

[chrisburton]

Mark

Thanks, I ended up using the link in the article in my previous post. The reason I need Safari is for testing my soon-to-be-released portfolio site.

[chrisburton]

Typogruffer

Occasionally Firefox still freezes when I open it up and try to navigate to any website.