Member ara… Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 This topic was imported from the Typophile platform Dear all, we have a new Riqa in dev... It is displayed in fine way within WinWord... However, it has many problems with Adobe InD... Some ideas/solutions? https://typography.guru/xmodules/typophile/files/roqa-1.jpg Thanking you in advance... Oussama Link to comment
Member Tho… Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 You know that InDesign doesn't support Arabic out of the box without some special tweaking, right?http://www.thomasphinney.com/2009/01/adobe-world-ready-composer/ Cheers, T Link to comment
Member ara… Posted August 14, 2011 Author Share Posted August 14, 2011 Many thanks Thomas for your feedback. However, we use ME products... so we should not limited for any feature... )-: By the way, have you a copy from the FontShop document, it seems that it is not anymore available... Many thanks in advance, Cheers, OR Link to comment
Member Azi… Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 As far as Arabic Font/Text is concerned, there is no alternative to the Mother of All Softwares + plugins:https://typography.guru/forums/topic/58495-forwarding As easy to use as frying an egg! All the Best with Flowers Link to comment
Member ara… Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 Thanks Aziz, but we are looking for mother-free solutions... You know that we entered in the freedom era... All the best with Edelweiss flowers... http://www.edelweissgrowers.com/ OR Link to comment
Member Azi… Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 1. Free M$ + Adobe products?! 2. Freedom era or Chaos?! Link to comment
Member ara… Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 I am asking for technical help to develop the font independently from software, like any font developed for ex. by Monotype and Linotype... I want to be software free! Link to comment
Member kha… Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I fully support open architecture solutions. The arabic font sector is highly deficient. However, the Arabic market dynamics don't really encourage developing 'open' type. I wonder what your marketing plans are. Your design is quite nice, and I am personally very interested in the Ruq'a style. I think it is the ultimate in cursive handwriting. This arises from the exceptional economy in the letter forms and the exquisite balance between catenation and separation that is inherent in the Arabic script in general. Ruq'a is also a strong and dynamic style that was useful in writing newspaper headlines. In my article here, I showed how print technology and the development of the Al-Harf Al-Jadeed font for the Linotype swept away Ruq'a from the headlines. Solutions like yours might lead the way for a Ruq'a comeback. Please do proceed with the development of your font, and I hope you will find a solutoin for the InDesign compatibility soon. Khalid Link to comment
Member ara… Posted August 27, 2011 Author Share Posted August 27, 2011 Many thanks Khalid... We start to find a good solution for our technical issues and I hope to provide the nice outcome very soon... Our marketing plan is "very special" as we are connected to media and publishing groups. We are able to use our fonts directly in final products that you can see in the Arab/Arabic language market... Although we are committed firstly to our classic khatt, we plan to produce old and not-copyrighted fonts in opentype versions (Arabic Font Revival Program)... keep tuned Oussama Link to comment
Member fro… Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Oussama, it looks like you probably have problem with the glyph alternates replacement. Try posting the question in the Typophile Build section, with a part of your code. Link to comment
Member Joh… Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Some ideas: Which version of ID ME are you using? Cursive attachment positioning support was only added in CS4. Do you have any custom kerning defined in the InDesign version? I've found that applying kerning between non-connecting Arabic letters will break nearby OpenType cursive attachment. Is justification turned on? What happens if you alter justification settings? Link to comment
Member ara… Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 @froo @ John Hudson : Many thanks. The font is tested with InD CS5 as displayed in the image. The issue was solved and InD interact very well with the result. Actually, InD does not accept the multiplication of the same glyph in different cells but MS products say nothing for this multiplication. I hope that I can propose the result very soon. :-) Link to comment
Member ara… Posted September 23, 2011 Author Share Posted September 23, 2011 New InDesign sample... As you can see, it works! Other samples will be available soon... Please do not hesitate to contact me if you need any information or have any comment. Link to comment
Member Azi… Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Congratulations! I hope your Roqa will be uploaded somewhere for free down like:http://www.crulp.org/software/localization/Fonts/nafeesRiqa.html Though I am more after text than headline fonts, I will try to combine the 2 to come out with a dynamic + unique roqa font for our Arabic Calligrapher. As I always emphasize, Arabic fonts are useless unless made dynamic. All the Best with Flowers Link to comment
Member ara… Posted September 23, 2011 Author Share Posted September 23, 2011 LOL! This Nafees Riqa is free because it couldn't have a better value! Anyway, The developed Riqa will come in different aspects & weights: for headlines, for text and also in an extended version... We will publish some samples on the next week during the Fourth International Symposium for History of Printing and Publishing. Link to comment
Member Azi… Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I would like to see one of these 2 words included in your samples: لمحجوبون لمجموعون I wonder how they will appear in the different aspects & weights: for headlines, for text and also in an extended version! Thanking you and awaiting for the outcomes of the Fourth International Symposium for History of Printing and Publishing. Link to comment
Member Azi… Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Latest News: Innovative Roqa by Sultan Maktari from Yemen.http://sultanfonts.com/http://sultanmaktari.blogspot.com/http://www.aratypo.net/forums/showthread.php?t=576&p=1250#post1250 Attached images speak louder than words. See also:https://typography.guru/forums/topic/95632-forwarding Link to comment
Member Bad… Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Hi, Aziz This is what you asked before: Link to comment
Member Azi… Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Thanks Badr Oraby. Have you discussed the rivers of white spaces caused by the font? How are you going to get rid of them?! By: 1. Single or multiple line-spacing?! 2. Manual or auto kern?! And/or: 3. Alternative Glyphs + Ligatures?! Link to comment
Member Bad… Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 The Alternatives in Ruq'a - In traditional - is not so much, you only can use the ligatures and sometimes you have no choices to change it. But still, There are several ways to handle the spaces, such as Kern. Badr Link to comment
Member Azi… Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 > But still, There are several ways to handle the spaces, such as Kern. Alternatives: null to zero?! Kerning : Manual or auto?! How else?! Link to comment
Member Bad… Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Kerning : Manual or auto?! We speak about opentype font, so, Do you know an opentype font uses the manual kerning in simple text editors like MS Notepad or Mac Textpad ?? And what about MerEmad, does it?? Link to comment
Member Joh… Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 The Microsoft Arabic shaping engine has the OpenType Layout kern feature on by default, so you will always get kerning for Arabic script in any application using either Uniscribe or DWrite for layout. OpenType kerning can include contextual lookups, which is useful for this kind of Arabic, although the lookups can get very numerous if you want to really refine the spacing between lettergroups of different shapes. Link to comment
Member Azi… Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 @ Badr Oraby, In MirEmad + QalamBartar, auto kerning is carried our for the high frequency lettergroups , but for the low frequency lettergroups , you can do manual kerning inside M$ Notepad, Wordpad, Word 2003-2010, IndesignCS5, PhotsShop + Illustrator + PagePlus X5 ++ God willing, both software will be available for Mac Users, by the mid of 2012. You can do Auto Kerning as mentioned by John Hudson, but that is a fix-one-bug-create-more process, and I am afraid you keep answering the Roqa-thirsty fans with Work-in-Progress message, even after the Tenth Fourth International Symposium for History of Printing and Publishing. Hoever you can do ONLY Manual Kerning + ONLY in IndesignCS5?! The Choice is yours. Link to comment
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