Open-source typefaces

[Member Chr…]

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Please help compile a list of open-source typefaces.

I just came across this on twitter:

Open Baskerville

Feel free to contribute. See what I did there? “feel free.” Ah? Yes?

[Member Mar…]

http://www.dunwichtype.com/?p=2221

[Member Chr…]

It just occurred to me, what’s the difference between an open source font, and a free font?

[Member qua…]

Supposedly, it's the same as the difference between freedom and beer.

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

And here's some more:

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html

Basically, though, you can play with the vectors in open-source fonts, but the only special thing about a free font is that it didn't cost any money.

[Member hra…]

There is "free" as in you don't need to compensate the designer, then there's what people call "libre" which means free for redistribution. Technically all four possible combinations of those two can exist, although in practice you can't really charge money for a libre font because within minutes somebody will put out an identical free version. Of course it can get pretty complicated pretty quickly, for example if you believe that "open-source" means that the tools to make the original also need to be free (or even libre).

The fatal flaw in the "things must be libre" philosophy is simple: freedom is over-rated. It's nice, but it's just another thing that needs to be factored in life. Anybody who's really concerned with social responsibility knows very well that big chunks of individual freedom need to be sacrificed for the greater good. Don't believe all this Western hype.

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[Member 5st…]

big chunks of individual freedom need to be sacrificed

...sigh.

n.

[Member qua…]

hrant:
The fatal flaw in the "things must be libre" philosophy is simple: freedom is over-rated. It's nice, but it's just another thing that needs to be factored in life.

Survival is the most important thing in life, because it is the true sine qua non: and if you are not free (by one important definition) your survival is at risk.

This is why having a free press and free elections are vital; without control over your local government, you can be enslaved or slaughtered at whim.

Anybody who's really concerned with social responsibility knows very well that big chunks of individual freedom need to be sacrificed for the greater good.

This, though, I don't disagree with, in some senses and contexts. Without governments with the power to tax and conscript, the Western democracies would have been conquered long ago by Stalin or Hitler. So I reject Libertarianism and similar ideologies.

Don't believe all this Western hype.

But here I strongly disagree. I think the Western vision of liberty, handed down in civics courses, is basically accurate.
It does contain a few things that are flawed, though.

There are self-serving rationalizations that define the stealing of land from indigenous people as something other than theft. because they didn't "develop" the land by practising agriculture. To take away the hunting grounds people need to feed themselves is as murderous as denying someone air by smothering him with a pillow (which also puts paid to the "property is theft" nonsense on the other side).

The effort to combat demagoguery, which is understandable, fails to address the justification for the welfare state, if not socialism; children are not at fault for being born into poverty. But the other side can retort that the responsible are not to blame for the feckless.

My logical conclusion is that someone does owe you a living, but it is your parents, not the State; and thus the State may legitimately demand financial responsibility as a qualification for reproduction. How it can do that without outraging the Right (interfering in intimate affairs) or the Left (effective genocide against disadvantaged minorities) is... left as an exercise for the reader.

[Member Kar…]

It just occurred to me, what’s the difference between an open source font, and a free font?

Licensing and intent. Saying that a font is free or open source does not really provide sufficient information about how it can be used. The kind of open source license(s) a font is released under can have an impact on other software the font is used or embedded with and this issue alone is the reason that a font exception clause that can be applied to the GNU GPL exists:

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#FontException

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPL_font_exception

http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis

To the best of my knowledge the Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL) Open Font License is the only open source license specifically formulated for use with fonts. Others, such as the Apache, MIT and Creative Commons commune of licenses are either not specific enough about whether fonts subject to them make related content open source by association or very specifically require attribution.

The good thing about the above licenses is that they are very well documented and discussed, thus potential users have no excuse for not understanding what liberties and restrictions they impose upon fonts released under them.

Fonts labelled as free can usually be separated into two categories: 1) fonts released under a standard commercial license but free of charge, either directly to customers or bundled with a larger purchase; 2) fonts released with a basic, limited or no license and free of charge. In the second case it is often unclear what restrictions, if any, are imposed on the fonts and as such their usage potential is often extremely limited particularly for commercial usage.

Another major factor in deciding to use or abuse any of the above is quality or distinct lack thereof and the work involved, for example, in modifying an open source font to work optimally may end up costing more in man hours and time spent testing and revising than it would have cost to license a commercial font that was already there.

[Member Té…]

@Karl – The UFL (Ubuntu Font Licence) is a modified OFL. I think the UFL permits selling the fonts as separate products, but it's been a while since I read it.

@Chris – If you want the boiled-down version... Free can be gratis (free beer) or libre (free speech). Open source is libre.

[Member Kar…]

The UFL (Ubuntu Font Licence) is a modified OFL. I think the UFL permits selling the fonts as separate products, but it's been a while since I read it.

Thanks, I was not aware of that one. Looks like more information can be found here.

[Member hra…]

Your survival is at risk if you expect too much freedom.

Free press and free elections are illusions that limit freedom.

I'm not saying freedom is bad, just that we're brainwashed into thinking it's the ultimate goal. Just like we're brainwashed into thinking death is the ultimate defeat. Those are counter to human nature. There's a reason people admire martyrs, even though systems hate them.

the State may legitimately demand financial responsibility as a qualification for reproduction.

That's too Sparta for me. BTW try to see Gattaca.

hhp

[Member qua…]

@hrant:
Just like we're brainwashed into thinking death is the ultimate defeat. Those are counter to human nature.

Human nature doesn't tend to go too high on the Maslow hierarchy when what is below hasn't been taken care of... which is the case for the vast majority of humans.

So for most of us, these are the three basic goals:

- stay alive
- have kids
- keep them alive

with being safe and comfortable and having fun also important along the way.

Dealing with what stands in the way of that, especially for other people, is a loftier goal, but still one that is understandable.

[Member Chr…]

@Mark Simonson: That was a great piece of writing. Thanks.

[Member Chr…]

And please, try to stay on topic. Don’t pull another Luc thread. I want this to be useful. Not another pedantic, narcissistic, self-righteous, in-fighting bitch session.

[Member Chr…]

Source Sans Pro

[Member DiS…]

I think it's more interesting to consider the meaning of "open source" here less in the sense of commerce than in the sense of intellectual property and potential benefits.

Taken in the broader context of computing and software development, anything that's "open source" implies that the code generating a product is open for inspection, customization, and extension by end users who have myriad needs that the original designer cannot fully accommodate or even predict.

In terms of font development, that would mean an "open source" font is posted publicly with something like the GNU license, and all the character outlines and font metrics are included in some widely accessible format.

This raises the possibility of "crowdsourcing" font design...(ask yourself in how many fonts you've ever wanted to change just a few wordstopping characters to make them more usable, right?! Everyone's got a list...)

It can only be a good, democratizing thing in the long run to prioritize the needs of end users over the rather narrow and often self-driven creative pursuits of one type designer, no matter how talented or smart. We know from research in many areas that the knowledge and creativity of the masses will nearly always outperform that of an expert individual.

Beyond just a list of the open-source fonts that have been attempted so far, it would be a great feat of digital social justice to compile a statistical list of the fonts people would most like to change, down to individual glyphs, prioritize them, and let those fonts loose to the masses to start whittling and improving for everyone to benefit.

(Type geek party game: design one glyph and pass it on...)

[Member alu…]

"We know from research in many areas that the knowledge and creativity of the masses will nearly always outperform that of an expert individual."

That's a rather fuzzy statement. The idea that more minds = better solution isn't any sort of sure thing.

That's not to say open source isn't a great thing. Just that whether something is open or closed source isn't a direct indicator of the quality of the solution.

[Member hra…]

ask yourself in how many fonts you've ever wanted to change just a few wordstopping characters

For some weird reason though that seems to happen almost exclusively with free fonts...

Also, there might be a reason something was designed in a certain way that a non-designer won't understand... until it's too late. For example if you see a "g" that feels a bit vertically cramped and you decide to make it drop lower, you're making things worse not better, and you won't even know.

We know from research in many areas that the knowledge and creativity of the masses will nearly always outperform that of an expert individual.

I for one know no such thing. And it's counter to common sense that you could know how to do something without expending the effort to learn how to do it.

One area that I think laymen can certainly help though is feedback: a mechanism for expressing opinions about what's wrong with a font (or what could be added) would be awesome. Some designers will be too proud to pay heed to outside opinion, but the way I define Designer the good ones will be all ears.

hhp

[Member Té…]

@hrant – Open-sourced free fonts do explicitly invite this type of tinkering. (chibi-Rowan rubs 's tiny little chibi-hands together in glee with a tiny little manic smile on 's chibi-face…)

[Member hra…]

Which part of "feedback" means "tinkering"?

Please don't tinker with a car's braking system. Even if it's your car.

hhp

[Member Kha…]

Please don't tinker with a car's braking system. Even if it's your car.
You haven’t been near my brother :)

[Member Té…]

What do you mean, "feedback"? I wasn't talking about feedback at all!

[Member hra…]

If you weren't leading off from my "feedback mechanism" suggestion, what were you leading off from?

hhp

[Member Té…]

DiSH>> ... ask yourself in how many fonts you've ever wanted to change just a few wordstopping characters ...

hrant> For some weird reason though that seems to happen almost exclusively with free fonts...

What I would really like to know how right now anyone can equate tinkering with feedback. My working assumption is a brain glitch.

[Member hra…]

So you're saying open-source free fonts invite tinkering because they suck, and we're supposed to be happy about that? Were you on the team that made the Chevy Corvair?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsafe_at_Any_Speed

hhp